From tjk at annapolislinux.org  Wed Apr  1 18:41:09 2009
From: tjk at annapolislinux.org (Theodore Knab)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:41:09 -0400
Subject: [Lugstuff] Next Meeting April 6th 2009
Message-ID: <20090401224109.GA8061@annapolislinux.org>

Hi, the next Linux meeting is scheduled for 7PM on Monday 6 April 2009.

We meet at Barnes and Nobles as usual.

You can find more directions on the Website:
http://annapolislinux.org/?page_id=23

Tech Tip of the month:
==================
Block anonymous "Unknown Caller" calls with *77 on your phone.
Note, this only works if you have caller-id service.

Source: http://www.cs.rutgers.edu/~watrous/phone-features.html

-- 
Ted Knab
Stevensville, MD USA

From tjk at annapolislinux.org  Mon Apr  6 08:37:05 2009
From: tjk at annapolislinux.org (Theodore Knab)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 08:37:05 -0400
Subject: [Lugstuff] 2nd reminder
Message-ID: <20090406123704.GA11615@annapolislinux.org>

Hi, the next Linux meeting is scheduled for 7PM on Monday 6 April 2009.

We meet at Barnes and Nobles as usual.

You can find more directions on the Website:
http://annapolislinux.org/?page_id=23

-- 
Ted Knab
Stevensville, MD USA
- Annapolis Linux User Group, Founder

From tjk at annapolislinux.org  Mon Apr 13 19:35:51 2009
From: tjk at annapolislinux.org (Theodore Knab)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:35:51 -0400
Subject: [Lugstuff] Fw: LPI Promotion for LUG members
Message-ID: <20090413233551.GA31941@annapolislinux.org>

Hi, I am forwarding on an email from LPI. Is anyone interested in this ?

For those unfamiliar with LPI, it is a Linux Certification program that
attempts to stay away from becoming a distro specific certification like
Red Hat and other proprietary certifications. 

----- Forwarded message from Brooke Gresham <bgresham at lpi.org> -----

X-Spam-Level: 
From: Brooke Gresham <bgresham at lpi.org>
To: tjk at annapolislinux.org
Subject: LPI Promotion for LUG members 
X-Virus-Scanned: by lpi.org

LPI Promotion for LUG members

During the 10th Anniversary year of the Linux Professional Institute
http://www.lpi.org members of Linux User Groups in North America are
invited to participate in a special promotional program to advance their
Linux skills and knowledge.

Participating Linux User Groups will be offered voucher coupons for a
10% discount on Linux Professional Institute exams offered at any local
Prometric or VUE testing center. Participating LUGs are asked to obtain
voucher codes in advance upon request from LPI Customer Service at
bgresham at lpi.org.  Exam fees (minus the 10% discount) are payable upon
redemption.  LUGs should include contact information and the number of
coupons required when making inquiries at bgresham at lpi.org.

The Linux Professional Institute is the world's #1 Linux certification
and is globally supported by the IT industry, enterprise customers,
community professionals, government entities and the educational
community. LPI is supported by an affiliate network spanning five
continents and their exams are distributed worldwide in multiple
languages at more than 7,000 testing locations. Since 1999, LPI has
delivered close to 200,000 exams and over 65,000 LPIC certifications
around the world.

For more information on how to take an LPI exam please see:
http://www.lpi.org/eng/certification/faq/procedure_for_taking_exams

Please provide me the following information and I will get your vouchers 
ordered:


Main contact person for your LUGS:
Contact persons phone number:
Contact persons e-mail:
Contact persons mailing address:
LUGS e-mail address or website:
LUGS name:
Would you like Vue or Prometric vouchers?:

Thank you so much for your time and I look forward to hearing from you 
soon,

-- 


Brooke Gresham
Customer Service Manager 
Linux Professional Institute
1024 Iron Point Rd.
Folsom, CA 95630
SKYPE: brooke.gresham
Phone: 916.357.6625
www.lpi.org


----- End forwarded message -----

-- 
Ted Knab
Stevensville, MD USA

From dfbleil at toad.net  Wed Apr 22 11:03:26 2009
From: dfbleil at toad.net (David F Bleil)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:03:26 -0400
Subject: [Lugstuff] How to question
Message-ID: <200904221103.26386.dfbleil@toad.net>

I intend to install a 3rd SATA HD on my computer.

1st hard drive Windows XP PRO 32 bit

2nd Hard drive currently has ?SUSE 9.3  32 bit. I  WILL change to 64 BIT Suse 
11.1 after installing the additional Win XP Pro 64 bit OS. The Suse install 
finds the other partitions and askes me which one I want to use.

I want to install this drive and make the OS system on the?NEW DRIVE
3rd Hard Drive ?XP Pro 64 bit

What procedure should I use to install the SUSE 64 bit [2nd hard drive] and
the XP Pro 64 bit[3rd hard drive]
I DO NOT WANT TO LOOSE THE XP PRO 32 BIT PROGRAM AND DATA.  Do I have to 
remove the drive, plug the new drive as primary and install the XP Pro 64 bit 
as a new installation or is there a way to make sure that the Windows 64 bit 
will go on the third drive? If I do this will the GRUB boot manager be hosed?

I am relaying this request to the LUG on behalf of a friend who is new to 
Linux and multiple boot systems in general. I would appreciate any 
observations, warnings , tips which would be applicable to this project.

He has the correct hardware for using 64 bit software.
4 GB Ram
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W
Dual-Core Processo

Thanks for your assistance.

-- 

David F. Bleil

SUSE Linux 11.1
This penguin can fly!

From kaori.hinata at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 11:48:48 2009
From: kaori.hinata at gmail.com (Thomas Gallen)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:48:48 -0400
Subject: [Lugstuff] How to question
In-Reply-To: <200904221103.26386.dfbleil@toad.net>
References: <200904221103.26386.dfbleil@toad.net>
Message-ID: <20090422154847.GA8588@miyuki.aacc.cc.md.us>

Good (rainy) afternoon,

I just unplug unrelated drives when installing different operating
systems, then plug them all back in afterwards. Firstly, this saves you
from the Windows habit of setting up it's own bootloader over top of
another one. Secondly, this means that each drive is it's own
independent installation with it's own bootloader. As a result, if the
primary drive with the primary GRUB bootloader dies, each drive can
still boot on it's own and saves you a bunch of time (though really it's
just an easy way to keep things separated without much cruft).

You have 2 options for booting such a setup:
1.) Using the BIOS disk selection menu (if available).
2.) Installing grub on the primary boot disk and creating entries for
each installation.

Windows will already have to be chainloaded, however, your GNU/Linux
installations can go one of two ways:

1.) Chainload the existing bootloader (easier).
2.) Directly boot the existing installation (a bit more advanced).

If you go with chainloading then you're just having the primary GRUB
bootloader call another bootloader. If you set that bootloader to not
display a menu/have a timeout of 0 then the extra time to load the next
bootloader is nothing notable.

If you directly load the installation you won't have to call an
additional bootloader but this requires knowledge of all boot settings
of all other GNU/Linux installations on the system. Instead of
chainloading you'd have to know the kernel argument line, boot
partition, if it uses init RAM disks, etc. It'll be quicker, but
maintenance will be bothersome especially since most friendly
distributions like to handle these things themselves and could break
your entry at any time with an update.

Lastly, you do have another option and that would be to let the installations
duke it out in proper order and let Windows installations take turns
wiping the boot record of the primary disk, however, I being the lazy
man that I am, do the above.

Hope this gives you some ideas.
Thomas

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 11:03:26AM -0400, David F Bleil wrote:
> I intend to install a 3rd SATA HD on my computer.
> 
> 1st hard drive Windows XP PRO 32 bit
> 
> 2nd Hard drive currently has ?SUSE 9.3  32 bit. I  WILL change to 64 BIT Suse 
> 11.1 after installing the additional Win XP Pro 64 bit OS. The Suse install 
> finds the other partitions and askes me which one I want to use.
> 
> I want to install this drive and make the OS system on the?NEW DRIVE
> 3rd Hard Drive ?XP Pro 64 bit
> 
> What procedure should I use to install the SUSE 64 bit [2nd hard drive] and
> the XP Pro 64 bit[3rd hard drive]
> I DO NOT WANT TO LOOSE THE XP PRO 32 BIT PROGRAM AND DATA.  Do I have to 
> remove the drive, plug the new drive as primary and install the XP Pro 64 bit 
> as a new installation or is there a way to make sure that the Windows 64 bit 
> will go on the third drive? If I do this will the GRUB boot manager be hosed?
> 
> I am relaying this request to the LUG on behalf of a friend who is new to 
> Linux and multiple boot systems in general. I would appreciate any 
> observations, warnings , tips which would be applicable to this project.
> 
> He has the correct hardware for using 64 bit software.
> 4 GB Ram
> Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W
> Dual-Core Processo
> 
> Thanks for your assistance.
> 
> -- 
> 
> David F. Bleil
> 
> SUSE Linux 11.1
> This penguin can fly!
> _______________________________________________
> Lugstuff mailing list
> Lugstuff at annapolislinux.org
> http://list.annapolislinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lugstuff

From bgraw3 at mac.com  Wed Apr 22 11:49:22 2009
From: bgraw3 at mac.com (Bob Graw III)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:49:22 -0400
Subject: [Lugstuff] How to question
In-Reply-To: <200904221103.26386.dfbleil@toad.net>
References: <200904221103.26386.dfbleil@toad.net>
Message-ID: <49EF3C82.6050808@mac.com>

I'm not 100% sure because I rarely deal with Windoze anymore, but GRUB 
could be the answer, not the problem.

Windows will be the problem.

If you removed the existing drives and did the new 64bit Windows 
install, we can assume that will work. Windows will install it's 
bootloader on the new drive and everything will be clean.

Then, you could put the original drives back in place and add the new 
drive as the third drive.

Then, you should be able to modify GRUBs conf file to point to the new 
OS(s) using the chainloader part of GRUB (which is probably being used 
for the existing Windows partition.)

See http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#DOS_002fWindows 
for GRUB information about mapping and hiding. I would hope Windows 
would be better about where it booted from, but I think it still 
pretends there are no other operating systems and kind of "demands" that 
it be on the first drive (C:). So, hopefully, mapping or hiding will 
help. (My guess is that you do not want to hide the partitions so that 
you can still access the data when running the other OS(s).)

Good Luck
Bob Graw

David F Bleil wrote:
> I intend to install a 3rd SATA HD on my computer.
>
> 1st hard drive Windows XP PRO 32 bit
>
> 2nd Hard drive currently has  SUSE 9.3  32 bit. I  WILL change to 64 BIT Suse 
> 11.1 after installing the additional Win XP Pro 64 bit OS. The Suse install 
> finds the other partitions and askes me which one I want to use.
>
> I want to install this drive and make the OS system on the NEW DRIVE
> 3rd Hard Drive  XP Pro 64 bit
>
> What procedure should I use to install the SUSE 64 bit [2nd hard drive] and
> the XP Pro 64 bit[3rd hard drive]
> I DO NOT WANT TO LOOSE THE XP PRO 32 BIT PROGRAM AND DATA.  Do I have to 
> remove the drive, plug the new drive as primary and install the XP Pro 64 bit 
> as a new installation or is there a way to make sure that the Windows 64 bit 
> will go on the third drive? If I do this will the GRUB boot manager be hosed?
>
> I am relaying this request to the LUG on behalf of a friend who is new to 
> Linux and multiple boot systems in general. I would appreciate any 
> observations, warnings , tips which would be applicable to this project.
>
> He has the correct hardware for using 64 bit software.
> 4 GB Ram
> Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W
> Dual-Core Processo
>
> Thanks for your assistance.
>
>   


From tjk at annapolislinux.org  Wed Apr 29 06:53:31 2009
From: tjk at annapolislinux.org (Theodore Knab)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:53:31 -0400
Subject: [Lugstuff] next meeting: Monday May 4th 2009
Message-ID: <20090429105331.GA14205@annapolislinux.org>

Hi, 

This is a reminder.

The next meeting for the LUG will be held on May 4th 2009 at 7PM
in Barnes and Nobles.

Directions:
	http://annapolislinux.org/?page_id=23

Per the discussion in the last LUG meeting, I have contacted
Professor Seabrook at AACC. I asked him to sponsor our LUG so
that we can get a room at the college. He responded that he is 
retiring this year. But, he said that he would look over the
sponsorship requirments. Does anyone know any of the new
CS professors at AACC ?

-- 
Ted Knab
Stevensville, MD USA
- Annapolis Linux User Group, Founder